Jeremy Lin Haters/Doubters are Like The Flat Earth People

NOTE TO READER: I know this is a very long article, but if you’re going to read it, I really ask you to read it all the way through, because you won’t really have a full understanding of what I’m trying to say until you reach the very end of the article. I know there will be moments when you’ll be tempted to just skim through everything, thinking that you know what I’m going to say and jump to conclusions. But I urge you not to do that. The argument I’m trying to make is built up slowly and painstakingly brick-by-brick. You won’t really grasp the point I’m trying to make unless you read the ENTIRE article. I promise, it’ll be worth your while. And if you are or suspect yourself to be a Jeremy Lin Hater/Doubter and actually read through the entire article, then you have my highest respect.


In ancient times, people believed that the world was flat. When scientific evidence proved that the world was round, many people still held steadfast to their beliefs. This is because they’ve always felt this way, so their beliefs had a great deal of energy. As such, they ignored scientific evidence and hung onto their strongly held beliefs. I can’t really blame the flat earth people, because they had plenty of physical evidence that they can see with their own eyes, which showed to them clearly that the earth is flat. I mean, when they looked around them, it was clear that they were standing on a flat surface. Nothing in their everyday lives showed them that the earth was round. This is because they were just microscopic specs on a gigantic ball–that was continuously rotating, no less!

I can’t have the same amount of sympathy for Jeremy Lin haters/doubters, however. Like the flat earth people, Jeremy Lin haters/doubters (JLHDs for short) have strong beliefs about what a good basketball player should look like and what credentials they should have coming into the NBA. They can’t wrap their conventional minds around the fact that an undrafted Asian American kid out of Harvard, who’s been to the D-League, passed from one NBA team to another only to sit at the very end of the bench, can possibly perform at a high level. An example is the infamous rant from Stephen A. Smith, an ESPN analyst, on how Jeremy Lin is a “marginal” player. Really?! A marginal player? Really? And your sole job is to watch NBA games and NBA players and analyze their game, presumably objectively? And you have every resource available to you to help you in your efforts and that’s what you come up with? Really?!

I feel stupid to even lay out some of the clear evidence that shows Jeremy Lin is anything but an average player. But I feel like I have to in painstaking detail. Lets see. There’s the whole first 7-game starts, in which Jeremy Lin (229 points/86 assists) not only surpassed, but demolished all time greats in the Point Guard position when it comes to points and assists: Magic Johnson (129 points/49 assists), Isiah Thomas (172 points/45 assists), John Stockton (68 points/75 assists). You know any marginal players that have done this?

Here’s Lin’s very basic stat line for 2011-2012 season: 14.6 PPG/6.2 APG. But these stats need to come with a bunch of asterisks, because they include games in which Lin didn’t play meaningful minutes (we’re talking single-digit minutes here). The only fair way to calculate Jeremy Lin’s stats for the 2011-2012 season is if you only count the games in which Lin played significant minutes (i.e., from February 4th game against New Jersey to the March 24th game against Detroit). So Lin’s real points and assists statistics for the 2011-2012 season is: 18.5 PPG / 7.7 AGP.

Taking just these two very basic non-controversial stats, lets see how Lin ranks among the following “above average” starting point guards in the league: Chris Paul, Derrick Rose, Rajon Rondo, Deron Williams, Steve Nash, Tony Parker, Russell Westbrook, Kyrie Irving, Ricky Rubio, John Wall, Brandon Jennings, Jose Calderon, Kyle Lowry, Ty Lawson, Mike Conley, Kemba Walker, Jeff Teague, Jason Kidd, Stephen Curry, Raymond Felton, and Andre Miller. I know I’ll get some flack for not including Monta Ellis. I included Brandon Jennings instead, because it was much easier stat-wise, since Monta Ellis’s stats are divided between his time with Golden State and his time with Milwaukee. Also, he’s been playing the SG position, in addition to PG position, at Milwaukee. I’m sure I’ve left out your favorite point guard, but we’d be here all day if we keep debating the list. The point is not who’s on or off this list, the point is to show where Jeremy Lin stands within this list of representative “above average” starting point guards in the league in 2011-2012:

Russell Westbrook 23.6 5.5
Derrick Rose 21.8 7.9
Deron Williams 21 8.7
Chris Paul 19.8 9.1
Brandon Jennings 19.1 5.5
Jeremy Lin 18.5 7.7
Kyrie Irving 18.5 5.4
Tony Parker 18.3 7.7
Ty Lawson 16.4 6.6
John Wall 16.3 8
Stephen Curry 14.7 5.3
Kyle Lowry 14.3 6.6
Mike Conley 12.7 6.5
Jeff Teague 12.6 4.9
Steve Nash 12.5 10.7
Kemba Walker 12.1 4.4
Rajon Rondo 11.9 11.7
Raymond Felton 11.4 6.5
Ricky Rubio 10.6 8.2
Jose Calderon 10.5 8.8
Andre Miller 9.7 6.7
Jason Kidd 6.2 5.5

Lin ranks 7th in PPG and 10th in APG among a list of over 20 “above average” point guards in the league. So at least based on the two most basic statistics for a point guard, Lin ranks above average among a list of “above average” starting point guards. I’m no math genius, but I’d say that’s another piece of evidence that shows Lin is not a marginal player.

But lets take this one step further. Lin did this in his second year in the league. So I think it would only be fair if we see how these point guards compare to Lin when they were in comparable stages in their careers. And to be completely fair, I’m not going to just compare Lin’s statistics with all these players in their second season in the league. I’m going to only compare Lin’s statistics with these point guard’s stats in the first season in which they logged an average of over 30 minutes per game (MPG), so we have comparable data and are not comparing Lin’s stats with stats of these point guards when they were playing single digit minutes. For some players, such as Derrick Rose or Chris Paul, I used their rookie season, since they were in the starting line up in their first year, so I consider that comparable to Lin’s data that I’ve used. But just so you see that I’m fair, for a lot of the other players, I’ve used data AFTER their sophomore year (so presumably, they’ve had more experience than where Lin is currently), because that’s when they started logging significant minutes. For example, for Rajon Rondo, I used statistics from his 3rd year in the NBA. For Steve Nash, I was even more generous. Even though Steve Nash logged 31.7 MPG in his 3rd season (FYI his stats were 7.9 PPG / 5.5 APG), I didn’t used those mediocre stats, because I noticed that in his 4th year, his MPG was reduced to 27. It wasn’t until his 5th season that he started logging over 30 MPG consistently. So for Steve Nash, I used stats from his 5th year. There are many other examples of me using stats for players AFTER their 2nd year. I just chose to highlight the examples from Nash and Rondo. So here is where Jeremy Lin stands among these point guards when comparing his statistics with their statistics when they were at similar junctures in their careers:

Jeremy Lin 18.5 7.7
Kyrie Irving 18.5 5.4
Stephen Curry 17.5 5.9
Derrick Rose 16.8 6.3
John Wall 16.4 8.3
Ty Lawson 16.4 6.6
Deron Williams 16.2 9.3
Chris Paul 16.1 7.8
Andre Miller 15.8 8
Steve Nash 15.6 7.3
Brandon Jennings 15.5 5.7
Tony Parker 15.5 5.3
Russell Westbrook 15.3 5.3
Raymond Felton 14 7
Kyle Lowry 13.5 6.7
Jeff Teague 12.6 4.9
Kemba Walker 12.1 4.4
Mike Conley 12 5.3
Jason Kidd 11.7 7.7
Jose Calderon 11.2 8.3
Ricky Rubio 10.6 8.2
Rajon Rondo 10.6 5.1

Lin is tied for 1st with Kyrie Irving in PPG, you know, the 2012 Rookie of the Year. He’s ranked 7th in APG. So there’s more evidence for you that when looking at the most basic stats for Lin and putting those stats into context by comparing them with those of the current “above average” point guards when they were in similar junctures in their careers, Lin’s stats are, dare I say, elite. Or at the very least far from average.

Even though I’m someone who doesn’t believe that stats tell the whole story, I went through the trouble of doing all of this, so that we have at least some basis to start out with. The reason I’m not a big believer in stats is that you can find a stat to support virtually anything you want to say. It’s just another weapon people use to win mindless arguments back and forth that lack any real meaning or substance. For example, I could have boosted Lin’s status by talking about his stats during clutch time and all of that. Really obscure stuff. Instead, I just decided to stick to the most basic stats so we don’t lose site of the bigger picture. I’m not saying that stats are bad. I’m just saying that people abuse stats by taking them out of context only to be able to say that they’re right, even though they know that they’re wrong on the things that really matter.

SIDE NOTE: An example of how to use statistics the right way is how Ed Weiland, the FedEx delivery driver and numbers hobbyist, crunched data in a unique and objective way to show that Jeremy Lin was one of the top players coming out of college in 2010. I’m not saying this, because he supports my views. I’m just mentioning it so people won’t think that I’m some lunatic who doesn’t care about numbers and, so the reasoning goes, I must only think Jeremy Lin is good based on my emotions. No, my friend. The argument I’m slowly building is that in actuality JLHDs are the ones who are driven predominantly by their emotions. They keep repeating that Jeremy Lin is an average player as they close their ears and eyes, refusing to see anything else that contradicts their views, because they have such strong emotions built up about it.

Of course the JLHDs are going to point out that I didn’t include his turnovers, so I must be biased.  I’ve addressed Lin’s turnovers in my previous posts, but let me just take a moment to speak on this misunderstood subject some more. As I’ve mentioned, everyone should be a little weary of stats–especially when they’re taken out of meaningful context. To me, turnovers are one of those stats that really need to be produced with the necessary context in order to convey any real meaning. You can’t just talk about turnovers in isolation. I’ve covered this in my previous posts, so I’ll just touch on it here. The number of turnovers a point guard has, by itself, doesn’t really say much. You need to take it a couple of levels further and put it within the context of their level of aggression, their usage factor, etc. For example, a point guard can have a very low turnover number, like 1 or 2, yet there’s no way of knowing if he’s a good point guard or not. He maybe just standing around the perimeter passing the ball from side-to-side most of the time. And conversely, a high turnover number doesn’t necessarily mean the player is terrible. For example, Allen Iverson had high turnover numbers. This is because Iverson is a hyper-aggressive guard who’s constantly attacking and creating (mostly for himself). He also had a high usage factor, meaning that the ball is in his hands most of the time. This is somewhat similar to how Jeremy Lin plays–especially under D’Antoni. The ball was in Jeremy’s hands most of the time and he was constantly attacking the defense trying to create almost equally for himself and his teammates. So, no, I’m not going to include turnover numbers, without putting them within the context that they need to be put in to really understand them. And doing so is, admittedly, above my pay grade.

Also, people tend to over-exaggerate how harmful turnovers are to a team. Yes, turnovers are bad. They’re very bad. But people have an attitude like they’re the end of the world–especially when it comes to “proving” how terrible of a player Jeremy Lin is. Let me put turnovers in context. Do turnovers turn into automatic 2-points for the opposing team? No. In fact, I would venture to guess that it only happens 50% of the time, if that. But admittedly, I’m just pulling that number out of my ass. When they aren’t converted into points by the opposing team, then they’re not really that much more harmful than missing a shot, are they? And by the way, opposing teams can convert missed shots into buckets, too. So I hope I’ve opened your eyes a little into all the over-hyped turnover talks–especially when it comes to Jeremy Lin.

I’m not saying that Jeremy Lin doesn’t need to work on protecting the ball better. He does. But to constantly reference only his turnover numbers as “clear evidence” that he’s an average point guard or that he’s “garbage” is clear evidence that you’re cherry picking one or two things that support your strongly held beliefs and ignoring everything else that doesn’t. Need I remind you again that this is the definition of bias? You’re “analyzing” Jeremy Lin purely based on your emotions. You’re not being objective. I love how JLHDs constantly refer to Jeremy Lin fans as “idiots”, etc. as if the very act of calling someone else an idiot makes you so intelligent. They hang onto the feeling of superiority (maybe because it is the only time in their lives that they think they can feel superior) thinking that they know so much more about the game, because they were basketball fans, before Jeremy Lin. But I think JLHDs need to be honest with themselves and really think about whether or not they’re doing the very same things that they call Jeremy Lin fans “idiots” for doing. They over-hype his weaknesses and blind themselves to any information that goes against their strongly held biases. It’s okay. No one is watching right at this moment as you read this. You can be honest with yourself. If you can’t at least be honest with yourself right at this moment as I’m giving you the perfect opportunity to do so, you have to ask yourself when you ever will be honest with yourself. I know it’s painful to admit when you’re wrong. No one likes doing that. But if you never admit when you’re wrong, then how are you ever going to learn anything new? How are you ever going to grow as a person? I hate to break it to you, but no one is right all the time–no matter how many people you keep calling idiots to make yourself feel superior. It doesn’t work that way. There’s a nagging thing called the truth that gets in the way. It’s easy to hang on to false beliefs. The more difficult thing is to be a bigger person and admit that you’re wrong to open yourself up to learning something new. Anyway, enough self-help. Onto my analysis.

I’m sure JLHDs will point out that 26 games is such a small sample size to judge anything on. I think that’s a somewhat fair criticism. But what other data can I draw upon. I’m using all data available to me. It’s not like I’m cherry picking the data and only picking 26 of Jeremy Lin’s best games. I’m just using data from all the games in which Jeremy Lin has logged significant minutes. It’s not Jeremy Lin’s fault that he didn’t get a chance to play any meaningful minutes until those 26 games. So are you going to penalize him because he wasn’t given a chance? Also, some of the people who point out the small sample size are, at the same time, too quick to point out how Jeremy Lin was completely exposed in the ONE game against Miami. Somehow that ONE game suddenly becomes a SIGNIFICANT sample size to judge Jeremy Lin’s weaknesses. So I want to address that Miami game and, once again, give it some context. It occurred on a back-to-back (not making excuses, just giving context). It’s funny how JLHDs leave out the fact that every Knicks player struggled in that Miami game. Not just Lin. In fact Baron Davis played far worse then Jeremy Lin. Everyone on the Knicks struggled in that game, so why does Jeremy Lin get all the attention? It was also against one of the toughest defensive teams in the league who had a mission to shut Jeremy Lin down. Even if Jeremy Lin was the only one from the Knicks who struggled in that game, it’s still just ONE game! I mean, Carmelo, who’s raison d’etre is to score at a high level had so many games (NOT just one or two or a few or several) before April in which he shot around 35 percent and scored under 20 points, including against sub-500 teams. Does that make Carmelo garbage? Nonsense! I’m not trying to hate on Melo by using him as an example. It just seems to make sense, since I figured many JLHDs would be familiar with Melo’s stats and would immediately know what I’m talking about. Let me just pull out one game to further illustrate my point. On March 6th, against Dallas, Melo scored 6 points, shot 2 for 12, which is 16.7%. Wow, Dallas must own Melo, right? Nonsense! I’ll just give one more example, just to open your eyes a bit so you can see how ridiculous you sound. On March 22, 1986, Michael Jordan scored 8 points against the Cleveland Cavaliers. This must mean that we need to re-think calling Jordan the best player of all time, huh? Nonsense. JLHDs will argue that these examples are different. These guys have already “proven” themselves. Jeremy Lin hasn’t. Well, you haven’t even given Jeremy Lin the chance to prove himself when you jump all over him for that one bad game against an elite defensive team and call him garbage solely because of that ONE game, even though he played at a high level before and after that game pretty consistently I might add.

Now I want to put the 26 game sample size into context. Again, JLHDs will argue that it’s too small of a sample size, so Jeremy Lin is still not “proven”. That’s another term that they love to throw around. Sure, he demolished hall-of-famers with his stats in his first 7 starts, but he’s still not “proven”. Sure, he’s turned around a team that was destined to not even make the playoffs to give them a 7-game winning streak and a jolt of energy by making all his teammates better, but he’s still not “proven”. They also love to add that the winning streak was against weak teams.

Lets talk about that 7-game winning streak why don’t we? Rather than cherry pick only the things that made the 7-game winning streak a piece of cake (really, there’s only ONE thing: that it was against mostly weak teams), why don’t we look at the entire context of the 7-game winning streak. First of all, Jeremy Lin, being the last guy on the bench didn’t get to scrimmage much during the little practice that the Knicks had in the shortened season. In other words, he wasn’t groomed to be an “above average” player, so he didn’t get the training that many first round picks and even second round picks have the luxury of receiving. He essentially walked onto the court completely cold on February 4th to play the Nets (unless JLHDs want to count the 7 minutes that he played the night before against Boston). During the winning streak, the two superstars of the Knicks (Melo and Stat) were absent for most of it. So Lin did it with more or less a bunch of scrubs (except for Chandler, who’s not an offensive threat). Remember, Novakane didn’t exist before Linsanity and Shump was only known as the guy that didn’t make it into the Rising Stars Challenge at the time. He was still trying to carve out an identity for himself. When you look at this entire context, it’s really mind-blowing what Jeremy Lin did. Never mind above average, what Jeremy Lin did, when taking into context all of this reaches super-human status and I’m not exaggerating. Just think about it. He wasn’t groomed to play at any level, he didn’t get much practice, he walked onto the court cold and he was asked to play arguably the toughest position (which he didn’t play until the NBA) and enhance the playing level of a bunch of scrubs to win 7-games in a row and turn around a team that was destined to not even make the playoffs. And, by the way, he did all of this with the eyes of the entire world on him and every team making it their highest priority to shut him down (to be precise Lin didn’t really have the eyes of the entire world on him and didn’t become a target for other teams until the middle of the winning streak onwards to D’Antoni’s resignation). So why don’t JLHDs talk about the 7-game winning streak in this entire context? Instead, they fixate on just ONE piece of data: that it happened against mostly weak teams. Also, average players don’t bounce back from poor first half performances to have the courage and ice in the veins to calmly take the last second shot with the entire world watching to win the game (Lin vs. Raptors). Lin possesses the rare type of courage that great players have–this is what makes him so deadly during clutch time. Average players just don’t have this type of courage and composure.

Now lets talk about the “weak teams” piece of data. Every team during this season probably had a similarly easy 7-game stretch, so why didn’t this 7-game winning streak happen to another point guard who was playing with a bunch of “scrubs”? (Before JLHDs start giving random examples of teams that had 7+ wining streaks, first ask yourself if the point guard was the primary catalyst for that winning streak and if so, did the point guard play with a bunch of Scrubs. Inevitably, JLHDs will give the Spurs as an example anyway, because JLHDs aren’t great at listening to what anyone else has to say, so let me just address that now. Do you consider the lineup that Parker had to work with a bunch of scrubs? If so, then okay, so you have Tony Parker as an example. I think we can all agree that Tony Parker is a pretty good point guard, so Lin is in good company. In other words, it couldn’t have happened to just any average point guard).

Let me take this one step further. A situation that’s somewhat similar to the one that Jeremy Lin faced during the 7-game winning streak is one that John Wall faced the entire season (i.e., point guard playing with a bunch of scrubs). So how come John Wall never put together a 7-game winning streak? I’m sure they had an easy 7-game stretch somewhere in the season. Forget the winning streak, how come John Wall didn’t get the kind of numbers that Jeremy Lin put up during the 7-game winning streak, when Lin played with a bunch of scrubs and had permission to really play his game? John Wall had an entire season to put together these numbers and couldn’t for any 7-game stretch. And if you used Tony Parker as an example for the 7-game winning streak, because you claim the Spurs are a bunch of scrubs, then how come a great and proven point guard like Tony Parker also wasn’t able to match the kind of numbers that Lin put together for a 7-game stretch that gave Lin the Player of the Week award (by the way, average players don’t go around winning Player of the Week awards)? Lets take a look at the basic stats that Lin put up during the 7-game winning streak, in which he played with a bunch of “scrubs”: 24.4 PPG / 9.14 APG.

Average players may have one or two good games here and there, but they don’t string together 7 straight good performances. Actually, if you’re talking about personal performances, Jeremy Lin continued performing at a high level for three more games beyond the 7-game winning streak, including a 28-points / 14-assists game against Dallas. So we’re talking a streak of 10 games in which Lin performed at a peak level if you want to be fair to Lin. Average players don’t do this.

Now, lets put some context around the 26 game sample size. Admittedly, it’s not a big sample size. But just think about what happened during these 26 games to the Knicks and you may be surprised how good of a sample those 26 games become. The Knicks essentially had at least three mini seasons during those 26 games:

  • “Season One”: 7-game winning streak, in which everything was clicking and it seemed like the Knicks had solved their problems
  • “Season Two”: Superstars returned disrupting the chemistry, resulting in a 6-game losing streak, the Knicks are once again outside looking in.
  • “Season Three”: Coach fired, new coach changes the dynamics on the team and forces Lin to change his game on the fly

Yes, the 26 games is a small sample size, but Jeremy and his team also went through a lot during those 26 games so that 26-game sample size is deceivingly small. Despite huge ups and downs, as well as the upheaval that comes with a coaching change, Jeremy Lin was still able to put together 18.5 PPG and 7.7 APG. Elite numbers when compared to numbers put up by “above average” point guards during comparable stages in their lives. And to give even more context, Jeremy Lin performed at a high level in a position that he hadn’t played until he came to the NBA. He also did it for a team that had problems with the Point Guard position with many players failing in the position before Lin took over. If Lin is an average player, he would have  failed just like all the rest. Instead, when given just ONE chance, Lin rose.

Jeremy Lin is not an average player. If you still think so after I’ve carefully and painstakingly laid out everything for your convenience, then I would suspect that you have much bigger problems than being a JLHD. I suggest you look at other areas in your life in which you hold onto strong biases and only cherry pick things that support your views and ignore everything else, no matter how overwhelming the data. You can choose to hear what I’m saying right now at this very moment when no one’s looking, or you can go ahead and block them out like you always have. That’s completely on you.

For those who are sincerely interested in going beyond their biases, but still somehow can’t, let me  help make things easier on you. I’ll attempt to lift the blind fold by having you do a mental exercise. If Jeremy Lin hadn’t been partly discriminated against when he graduated high school. A good basketball program would have picked him up, based on his high school performance (e.g., leading his school to a State Championship). If he had gotten into a good college basketball program, like he deserved to be, he would have been drafted, maybe even in the first round. Had he been drafted in the first round, he wouldn’t have been sitting at the end of the benched or been passed from one NBA team to another. Or we can forget this entire alternative scenario and just think about how if NBA scouts had looked at Lin’s stats in college in an objective way (i.e., the way Ed Weiland did) and picked him very early in the draft based on the conclusion that he was one of the best college players in 2010, then Jeremy Lin would have immediately been validated as some sort of prodigy. I mean, only prodigies get picked that early in the draft, coming out of a no-name basketball program, right? This guy must be out of this world good! Expectations of Lin would have been pretty high from the get go.

If all of this had been the case, then anyone would feel silly for continually questioning what he has done and keep wanting more and more proof if he’s for real. Or still calling him “average” even at the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Instead, people would point to Jeremy Lin’s performance as clear evidence of why he got picked in the first round and, moreover, they’ll take the 26-game sample size and extrapolate it out into the future and say that Lin will become one of the best point guards in the league. I mean, there’s clear evidence. He’s already surpassed all-time great point guards in his first 7 starts? What more evidence do you want? He’s a proven point guard. JLHDs might argue that everyone has to prove themselves and so Jeremy Lin is no different. And to that, I say that’s just making a comment that sounds good, but doesn’t have much bearing on reality. Just go back to the mental exercise I just had you do and you’ll get what I mean. If Jeremy Lin was picked early in the draft like he should have been had circumstances been different and performed the way he has performed even in the short amount of time, do you think anyone would still say that he’s unproven? If you still think so, then I’m not sure you’re being completely objective. Jeremy Lin wasn’t picked in the first round because he was overlooked–it wasn’t because he lacked the ability. In other words, Jeremy Lin’s lack of credentials has mostly to do with things outside of himself. But, yet, JLHDs are still letting those very things that caused Lin to be overlooked prevent them from recognizing Lin’s innate talents. Does that make sense, now? Any light bulb moments? I don’t know why no one seems to be able to see this.

I know it’s hard to admit when you’re wrong. Just know that it’s hard for anyone. Not just you. This is why only critics in Jeremy Lin’s past have come out to say that they were wrong about Jeremy Lin. Because it’s easier to admit that you’re wrong when some time has passed. As a result, the list of Lin converts continues to grow. I think it’s been well documented from scouts and coaches at Stanford to Houston management, etc. I don’t need to dwell on that. So it’s only a matter of time when the pain of being wrong for JLHDs will shrink with time and they’ll be able to admit that Lin is at least a top 10 point guard in the NBA.

SIDE NOTE: I like to be completely honest, so I’ll confess my concerns for Jeremy Lin’s future, with respect to his individual performance. One concern I have is his conditioning and if he’ll be able to go through a full season without injuries. He gets banged up so much, because of his hyper-aggressive style of play that his conditioning is an important part of his game that I’ll be watching carefully. Another concern is that if Jeremy Lin stays with the Knicks, which is very likely, then Woodson is going to turn him into primarily a passer and essentially take the “Linsanity” out of Jeremy Lin in order to achieve his primary (if not sole) goal of solving the debate on whether or not Melo and Stat can co-exist. I’ve written about this ad nauseum, so I won’t go any further. The reason I’m, admittedly, overly sensitive about this is that JLHDs cherry pick every little thing to bring Jeremy Lin down. So if Lin’s numbers go down next season, which it will if he stays with the Knicks, then they will say that he was just a fluke and feel validate. It’ll be too much to ask JLHDs to look at the context of what caused Lin’s numbers to go down–that it was the coach that forced him to change his game–and that Lin could still put up big numbers if he was permitted to. No. They’ll just say that they were right all along. That Lin is just an overrated fluke and that Linsanity was all media hype. For the JLHD’s own sake, I don’t want this to happen, because they’ll feel like they were right to hang onto their strongly held biases and will lose one of their biggest opportunities to learn something valuable.


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  • hkau

    Very detailed analysis.
    Hope Lin see your compassion.
    Wish Lin to play together with Kobe next season.

    • standupphilosopher

      Thanks hkau. This article definitely took a great deal of effort to put together in such painstaking detail. It just really annoys me when people talk about things without putting it in context. And I’ve read probably every article written about Lin and I’ve never seen any article really nail the context sufficiently. Also, I haven’t seen one article that talks about this idea that had he been a first round pick or something, then no one would continue to question what he has accomplished and keep asking for more proof if he’s the real deal. I think that’s a critical point that a lot of people miss. So I hope I’ve done that idea justice in my article.

      I doubt Jeremy Lin is sitting around reading my little blog, but one can always hope, I suppose. So, Jeremy Lin, if you are reading my blog, I’d love to hear from you. You’ve wasted a lot of my time since you came onto the scene, so the least you could do is drop me a line 😉

  • MrPingPong

    Just want to share this link with y’all, in case you haven’t seen it.

    As to whether the earth is flat or not, may I recommend the movie “The Gods Must Be Crazy”?

    • standupphilosopher

      Thanks for the link. I appreciate the detailed and objective analysis, as well as a lot of heart. In particular, I liked: “But beyond everything else, beyond what he might be as a pro, even beyond his storybook rise to current stardom, Knick fans care more about a topic I didn’t even bring up. We aren’t happy because he makes the Knicks relevant on the national stage. We don’t even care about the current 5 game winning streak. The fact that Jeremy Lin has brought a style of unselfish, team first basketball to New York is all we care about. I don’t cry. But I know a ton of Knicks fans who Jeremy Lin has brought tears of joy to, and I feel that if I did cry, I’d probably cry too. Jeremy Lin has brought the style of basketball that New York Knicks fans cherish back to the Garden. “

    • standupphilosopher

      Ha ha. I’ve seen The Gods Must Be Crazy when I was a kid. I remember it being pretty funny, but that was a long time ago.


    “For example, a point guard can have a very low turnover number, like 1 or 2, yet there’s no way of knowing if he’s a good point guard or not. He maybe just standing around the perimeter passing the ball from side-to-side most of the time. And conversely, a high turnover number doesn’t necessarily mean the player is terrible. For example, Allen Iverson had high turnover numbers.”

    1. It would be great if you could put turnover numbers for the two lists of players (in addition to PPG/APG) you have in this article, i.e. (PPG/APG/TO)

    2. Could you insert Allen Iverson numbers (PPG/APG/TO) in those two lists?

    • standupphilosopher

      Thanks for the suggestions, but I think I outlined the reasons why I didn’t include the turnover numbers. As for Allen Iverson’s numbers, in his rookie season, which he was in the starting line up, his numbers are: 23.5 PPG / 7.5 APG / 4.4 TO. I’m including AI’s turnover numbers here, because I used him as an example of a good player that has high turnover numbers.


    Also, depending on how much more time you want to spend on this, it maybe fair to compare efficiency numbers and add them in the two lists (PPG/APG) of players you have. e.g. PPG+APG+BSPG+STPG-TOPG or something like that.

    On the second thought, forget it, stop wasting your time… haters will be haters…

    • standupphilosopher

      Ha ha. Yeah, I think I’ve wasted enough of my time on behalf of Jeremy Lin. Also, i didn’t want the bigger picture to get lost in all of the data. As I said, you can find data to support pretty much anything. It’s more important to see the bigger picture of the argument I attempted to construct in painstaking detail brick by brick. I think if I added a large data discussion, many people would probably be blowing their brains out and wouldn’t be able to finish reading the article. It’s more important for me that people read the ENTIRE article, rather than find more pieces of data that shows Lin in a positive light. Also, I don’t want all the liability that comes from people blowing their brains out on account of my article.

  • linspirational

    nice read though i wish you hadn’t attacked lin haters so much; i feel like it may give your argument less credibility. regardless, it’s only a matter of time before people realize lin is the real deal

    lin vs. kemba walker (kemba was a first round pick; they were both in the same class of 2010 i believe)

    harvard ended up losing because i mean, they were playing uconn. lin still went off though

    • standupphilosopher

      Thanks for the comment. I really appreciate it! I agree with you about how I shouldn’t have attacked Lin haters so much. I’m glad you brought it up. I feel the same way–I actually wished I hadn’t attacked them so much, as well. And I think it’s careless of me to lump them all into one group. I also didn’t like making a caricature of JLHDs, but stylistically, that was the easiest way to present arguments that I’ve heard made against Lin. I know there are Lin doubters who are legitimate and make great points, and there are people who are still taking a wait and see approach on Lin that i think is very healthy. But I think for the purposes of simplifying the argument a little, I almost had to lump the haters and doubters into one group. Believe me, I tried doing it some other way and it just didn’t flow as well. What I should have done is defined the JLHDs more definitively. I kind of did that, by giving an example of Stephen A. Smith. So through that example, I was hoping people would have a picture of exactly the type of Lin haters / doubters I was talking about. The ones who keep saying he’s “average” or “garbage” and cherry pick one or two things that “prove” their point. Thanks for helping me explain this point a little bit more.

    • standupphilosopher

      Yep, I’ve seen that clip, as well as his summer league performance against John Wall. Thanks for sharing, though.

  • Dave

    First of all my friend, relax! It’s obvious you are very passionate about Jeremy Lin. By the amount of time you have spent in writing your piece it’s obvious JLin haters gets under your skin. I, myself, have read many of these over the top statements in regards to JLin as well. Is it justified? maybe not. Being a big JLin fan myself I realize no matter how great JLin might be some day he will alway have haters and people who doubt him. Some people will “always” label him as an average player or worse a scrub.

    The truth is, no matter how we talk about racial tolerance there are still going to be people who dislike you simply because of your race. Let’s be honest here, after what we have witnessed throughout Linsanity, people who still thinks he is an average player, in most part, is due to his race. Racism is the little 4 ton Elephant in the room that America choose to ignore. Racism look us in the eyes everyday but we pretend is not there.

    My friend, don’t get all worked up over these people. They have a right to believe what they believe. Even after your compiling argument some people will say that you are the one that is irrational because you are protecting a fellow Asian. Maybe you’re right, some people do feel better about themselves by putting others down. Think about this, JLin is as close to being a model human as one can be. Example: lead high school to state championship, great stats as a college player, Harvard graduate, a Christian, loving and supportive family, last but not least, created the global phenomenon we known as Linsanity. Haters hate him because is a reflection of their own ineptitude.

    Finally, my advice to you would be to stop reading these post by ignorant people. You’ll feel much more at ease if you just enjoy JLin’s game and not focus on his critics. I am sure JLin don’t read what others has to say about him or he’s game, if he did, I am sure he would not be the JLin he is today.

    • standupphilosopher

      Ha ha. Thanks for your concern on my well-being. I guess I don’t really know how I sound to other people reading what I write. But I assure you, I’m a pretty laid back guy. But when I make a statement, I have to make sure that I’m doing it as thoroughly and comprehensively as I possibly can. So that’s why my articles are so long. I just think things can be so easily misinterpreted, that I take great care in the statements that I make and qualify them to death, so that’s why this turned out to be such a long piece. It’s just the way I convey information. So has nothing to do with my level of anger at Lin haters or anything, although I can see how it comes off that way.

      I do understand that some people just can’t be convinced no matter what and they’re entitled to their opinions. And if you knew me in real life, you would see that I’m one of the most open-minded people out there and am able to see other people’s point of views pretty well and walk in their shoes. But now that you’ve pointed it out, I can totally see how I come off as some obsessive lunatic in these excruciatingly long essays. Thanks for providing some much-needed perspective.

    • standupphilosopher

      Believe it or not, I really don’t have an ounce of hatred towards Lin Hater / Doubters. My aim is purely to clarify and illuminate. Not to rant against some group I don’t agree with. But I can totally see how my somewhat unfair caricature of JLHDs says otherwise.

  • Bro: I like Jeremy Lin myself, but I do know that you can’t include a oversimplified stat like listing points and assists, and than not include TO comparison based on the fact that its oversimplified. I want to accept this article, but in my humble opinion you didn’t include ENOUGH stats or proof. Although I understand you say you don’t want to include too many stats as it can cloud the picture taken out of context, it seems a little hard to take your arguments seriously. Also I believe you are quoting Stephen A. Smith, a pretty respected Basketball writer/analyst for ESPN, a little out of context. Furthermore, as a Warriors fan, I watched Lin during his time in Golden State, and I have to say it was hard to see the pros in his game. Obviously he was brought into a unique situation, and I believe he can start at the point guard postion, but to call him “Elite” at any level is a little overboard.

    • standupphilosopher

      I get your point on turnovers, but I think I’ve explained my reasons for leaving them pretty sufficiently. So we’ll just have to agree to disagree on that one. Also, It’s no secret that Lin has high turnovers. I think everyone knows that. I’m not unearthing anything new by including them or not including them. If you want, I’m sure there’s a bunch of articles that talk about Lin’s turnovers. I just don’t want to be another one of those articles that talks about things out of context. I’m not sure if you read my entire article or if you just stopped the moment something didn’t sit right with you. If you stopped in the middle, hope you continue on.

      About Stephen Smith, I can see your point about me taking him out of context. I was somewhat reluctant to use him for this very reason. I have listened to the entire recording many times and to be honest, I don’t really know myself what he means by “marginal”, because he’s kind of all over the place with his analysis. But he says it with such strong emphasis over and over again and with such disdain that I don’t think you can fault people for using him more or less as a scapegoat. And I admit, I’m guilty of doing that. It’s hard to hear anything else he says about Lin, because he keeps screaming “Lin is a marginal player” every chance he gets. So I think people are free to interpret what he means by “marginal”. I think there maybe some confusion around the term “marginal”. So let me state what it means to me. To me, marginal means average. And average means that you’re MAYBE a starting point guard at best. I think there’s a big gap between “average” and “elite” and I think that’s where Lin fits in. I think you mistaken when I refer to “elite” stats in quotes and mistaken that for me arguing that Lin is an elite player. I was talking about Lin’s stats and using the word “elite” in quotes for emphasis. You can’t deny those stats are “elite”, where I’ve made the comparisons. But, as I’ve said, I don’t think stats convey the entire picture. So me saying a piece of stat is “elite” doesn’t mean I think the player is “elite”. Get it? I’m not sure if you read the entire article, but you may have a better understanding of what I’m trying to say if you did.

      • ok. reasonable, reasonable….one more thing though, I think it would be really interesting comparing the Points/Assist stats of Lin of his first seven starts to the rest of his starts. I know there will be a drop off, because he was straight ridiculous in the first 7, but I think after that the numbers for the rest of his starts will prove to be something along the lines of his carreer average. I assume its something like 15 points 6 assists 5 turnovers.

        On your worry about Woodson: in my opinion he is a better coach for the Knicks than D’Antoni. Amare and Melo are the Knicks main concern, and if Lin’s usage rate and thus his stats drop, it doesn’t at all demean his playing ability, and in fact will most likely reduce his turnovers.

      • standupphilosopher

        This is just a general note that you made me think of, but it’s not addressed specifically to you. Perhaps I’ve done a poor job, but the main goal of this article is actually not to say how good of a player Lin is. That’s a tertiary goal, at best. My main goal in life, not just in this article, is to tell someone something that they may not have thought of before. That’s the overarching goal of this article. And if you look at the title of this article, it’s more about helping people realize their preconceptions of Lin, by giving context around what Lin did. And finally making people question their unconscious preconceptions of Lin. Those are the primary goals of the article. And you don’t really get all of that until you come to the very END, that’s why I stress so strongly that if you’re going to read the article, I ask you to read the entire thing from beginning to end with an open mind. I know it’s not an easy thing to ask and I’m not being facetious. Having an open mind all of the time is not easy.

        Yeah, there’s substantial drop offs, because, as I’ve said, they essentially had three mini seasons in those 26 games so the sample size isn’t as terrible as people think on its face. I think if Lin sticks with the Knicks next season, he’ll be somewhere around 12 PPG and 7 APG. I don’t think his assists will come up, because he’ll mainly be passing around the perimeter. And this is pure speculation on my part, but from what I’ve seen and can remember, Lin’s assists actually go up when his scoring goes up and I think that makes sense, because when he’s aggressive, he’s creating for other players as well. And this is my concern about Lin staying with the Knicks. Lin’s turnovers will definitely come down, though, because of two things: experience and less aggression.

        From your comments about Woodson, I can tell that you haven’t read the link I provided. 🙂 I think you’ll have your answers about all of that there.

  • ok. Im really sorry about this, but I went to your article about woodson and I am dumbfounded. First of all, I think you are a decent writer who clearly cares a lot about Lin, but still need to be polished a little bit. Certainly you are a far better writer than me, and you are entitled to your opinion.
    About Woodson: How can you say he “distrusts” young players, using his “body language” as proof. You seem to completely disregard everything Woodson has done for the young players on the team: Shump, Lin when he was healthy, and even the youngish Novak, by simply saying that he was somehow pressured by the Fans to do these things. Than your evidence that Woodson doesn’t trust young players is by saying he wants them to sit and learn from the veterans. Learning from the Veterans is not a terrible thing, and I think that Lin would be EXTREMELY well served in observing the play of some veterans, to gain that experience you speak of. You act as if sitting on the bench for half a game is the worst thing that could ever happen to Lin.
    Other notes on that article: You say Woodson is condescending to Lin and doesn’t recognize his accomplishments? You want a “sparkle” in his eye when he talks about Lin? You are holding a very good coach to an impossible standard. Another commenter spoke about how Lin was integrated into Woodson’s system and he won 7 of 8 with him immediately. You say he distrusts young players, but loves Shump….there are just many issues I have with that article. I think this one is better, but I still think you have work to do.

    a few other things: in the article above, make sure you try not to repeat similar phrases over and over, such as “cherry pick”, just from a writers standpoint. Also Im really sorry for this rant. Just really didn’t agree with where you were coming from because of the above reasons. I think Woodson is a good coach, and that the Knicks will be best for Lin’s popularity, which seems to be what you care about almost the most. Agree that Isaiah is terrible, but you can’t just write off the organization.

    wow cant believe i wrote this much………
    thanks for sharing your thoughts

    • standupphilosopher

      Ha ha. I think we’d be here all day if I were to do you justice and respond fully to what you wrote. So I’ll just say that you make some great points. I think I am being overly harsh on Woodson. But it’s not just the “respect” thing that I”m worried about for Lin’s development. It’s a combination of all of the things that I mentioned in that article. Did you get through the entire article? Did you get to the part where I talk about D’Antoni?

      Thanks for the writing tips. Sometimes, I make sure to repeat very specific phrases over and over on purpose so there’s no confusion about what I’m referring to. But, yeah, generally I avoid repeating the same words and phrases that aren’t significant.

      I’ll admit, I don’t do much editing on here. It is a blog, after all. 😉 Just a place for me to express my thoughts however convoluted they may be, sometimes.

      Thanks for caring!

    • Ken Peterson

      Woodson takes his attitude about rookies from Red Auerbach who said, “Never play a rookie”.

    • Bay Area Guy

      Hey fool,

      standupphilospher’s assertion on Woodson is correct, actually. The reason Atlanta parted ways with Woodson was because of his outright reluctance to develop their young talent, especially Marvin Williams, and he made Jeff Teague ride pine his rookie season for no particularly good reason other than that he was a rookie.

      So do your research, FOOL.

  • MrPingPong
    • standupphilosopher

      That was a great link and that writer touches on some of the issues that I’ve dealt with in this article. Very interesting stuff! For instance, I didn’t know that Lin is one of the leading guards in college when it comes to dunks. He should start dunking more in the NBA. Everyone reading this should check out this link. It was written during Lin’s college days. Thanks for passing it along MrPingPong!

  • prettybigNYfan

    Solid article. I think you could have been more concise, but I enjoyed your analysis.

    I have to ask, though, if you really wanted to analyze his individual performance/skills why didn’t you include ANYTHING about his play on defense? I’ve read a fair amount – not much – and watched him play when I could. It seemed to me that a lot of people found his defense to be suspect, especially when it came to fighting through picks. The game is played on both ends.

    I would appreciate your thoughts.

    • standupphilosopher

      Thanks for the comment. Excellent point about the game being played on both ends of the floor. I have several reasons for not including defense in my article. First of all, if you had a chance to read my comments above, the primary purpose of this article actually isn’t to analyze Jeremy Lin’s performance, per se. I know that sounds odd, but if you look at the title of the article, the primary purpose of this article is to put context around what Lin did and by doing so help people question their unconscious biases towards Lin. And I think I did a thorough job of that without having to discuss the defensive part of his game. If this article was about analyzing Lin’s game, then I think it’s missing a lot more stats and rigorous analysis–including, as you’ve adeptly pointed out, the defensive part of Lin’s game.

      Discussing the defensive part of Lin’s game is, admittedly, above my pay grade. The only stats available from a defensive stand point are steals and blocked shots. I don’t think those tell the whole story. But in case you’re curious, Lin averaged 2 steals and .31 blocked shots in those 26 games that he played significant minutes. I think when it comes to defense, it’s not just about steals and blocked shots, though. It’s also about how many shots you allow your man, etc. And I don’t have the resources to crunch those numbers. Also, I think there’s a much higher degree of subjectivity when analyzing defense than offense. Not sure if you agree. But good defense often doesn’t show up on any stat line–or at least not basic stat lines. Good defense is about how well you stick to your man and make him uncomfortable. Take him outside of his comfort zone. Break his rhythm, etc. Sure some of that might show up as missed shots. But what if you’re sticking to your man like glue, but he just happened to make tough shots that day? If someone happened to see the game, then they would say that you did a solid defensive job, even though your man got his points. That’s just ONE example. There are many.

      Because people don’t have easy access to advanced metrics and people tend to pay less attention on the defensive end of the floor, I think unless a player is clearly terrible at defense or he’s stellar, a discussion on defense often deteriorates into he said she said and is more based on your perception. You’re going to look for things that support your views and unconsciously ignore the rest.

      When it comes to Jeremy Lin, he’s average on the defensive end. So it basically comes down to he said she said. Also, a larger sample size is required to really analyze a player’s defensive abilities, because it has more to do with just simply watching how well they stay with their man. It this point, I think it’s still too early to tell on Jeremy Lin’s defensive abilities. Personally, I think he gets a pretty bad rep, because that’s an area that people think they can criticize him on. Because, again, it’s more he said she said. Here’s my totally subjective take: he’s needs work on his on-ball defense, but I think he’s really good when it comes to helping out defensively and just simply being aware of where the ball is. This is why he’s gotten a fair amount of steals. He’s good at intercepting the passing lanes. I think, because he’s always looking to see where the ball is, he sometimes loses his man. But I think, overall, the jury is still out on Jeremy Lin’s defensive abilities. He’s had trouble fighting through screens, partly because D’Antoni favors switching, rather than fighting through screens. But I think after Woodson took over, Lin got a little better at fighting through screens. But I didn’t see him with Woodson enough to see if he’ll be able to do this consistently. I wouldn’t say that he’s a defensive liability, though. I think that’s going too far. I think people who say that he’s a defensive liability has more to do with what I’ve covered in this article than really what’s happening on the court. It’s easy to pick out games where he got torched defensively. But it’s also easy to pick out games where he stuck to his man pretty well. I think he’s just average and has potential, because of his size and quickness, to be a solid defensive player–especially if he is coached by Woodson next season. Sorry for the long-winded answer. It required a lot of explanation and even with this lengthy response, I’ve left out so much. But hopefully, you get the gist.

    • Bay Area Guy

      @prettybigNY fan,

      It seems to me that you and others don’t have a clue. Teams started running Lin off a ton of screens and the NY bigs (STAT and Chandler) did a poor job of helping Lin out–poor communication and outright laziness (especially from STAT, who doesn’t have a damn clue of how to play defensively). Not saying Lin doesn’t havework to do on that end, but he is sound defensively. He has good instincts and knows how to position himself.

  • i get what your trying to say but he is a dantoni system player he cannot defend well or shoot a high percentage he is not a scorer he is a distrubutor and yes he is a marginal player because hes not even as close to as talented as the people u mentioned

  • he is a marginal player at best nowhere near talent levels of westbrook paul rose williams and rondo

  • jenkins

    I think that you made a compelling argument. The point that you illuminated in regards to context of TOs was genius and definitely makes me think twice about what that stat actually means. However, it took you way too long to send your message. Dedicating multiple paragraphs to telling the reader that it’s okay to admit when their wrong and how nobody is watching right now just makes you look like YOUR the one who needs a mental workshop. You basically let everyone whose reading this know that you are intelligent enough to defend Lin in almost every category that can be debated using numbers and context and yet insecure enough to let other people’s thoughts disrupt your own thought process. As a person you need to realize that everyone is entitled to their own opinion. As a writer, you need to realize that going out of your way to make snippy comments at people who did nothing except analyze a situation differently than you is immature and in the long run will hurt your credibility far more than it will help it. Also, the fact that you take every opportunity you can to tell people to read the whole thing through and oh yeah did you make sure you read the whole thing, and by the way could you make sure you read the whole thing kind of tells me that there is a reason behind why your doing this. Writing is about being elegant. Get out from under the idea that more is better. Its not. People like fast. Fast is good. We get impatient when we have to wait more than a few seconds for our phones to download a video for crying out loud. Writing is the same thing. If you go sentence after sentence dancing around a subject and reiterating the same idea using a different word bank dudes are gonna get impatient and that’s when the skipping begins. You need to find a way to not only avoid the whole drama queen issue I mentioned above but also a way to convey your ideas in a faster and shorter manner.

    • standupphilosopher

      Thanks for your feedback! I understand the points that you make. There’s so many misconceptions about Lin that I really felt it necessary to lay out my arguments painstakingly point by point. And also, the subject of this post sort of lent itself to a more snarky tone on my part. Stylistically, that was the way it just went as I was writing. Didn’t really plan on it. But if you read my other posts, I think you might find that the tone is less negative.

    • standupphilosopher

      The reason why I want people to read the entire thing is that I don’t think you really fully understand what I’m trying to say until you get to the end where I have the reader do a mental exercise. That’s the culmination of the entire article, but it wouldn’t have been fair to have the reader go through that mental exercise until after I’ve built up my argument point by point. This article is not really about defending how good Lin is. It is more about having the reader question the preconceptions they may have about Lin. As you can see from some of the comments, it’s not an easy point to get, so that’s why I urge the reader to read it all the way through.

    • standupphilosopher

      I wrote this piece quite some time ago, so I kind of forgot the process I went through. Because of your comment in particular about how I dedicated multiple paragraphs to telling the reader it’s okay to admit when they’re wrong, etc., I decided to read my post again. And after reading it again, I realize that that those paragraphs about admitting when you’re wrong are actually integral to the subject of the article. The main crux of the article is to have people question their preconceptions of Lin.

      Beliefs are very difficult to change, because once you have a certain belief, your mind goes out and seeks evidence to prove your belief and your mind is not able to see anything that goes counter to your belief. This is especially true if your beliefs are strongly held. So those paragraphs about admitting when you’re wrong, etc. is intended to INVITE people to be okay with admitting when they’re wrong, because that’s difficult to do for anybody, but is necessary if you’re going to accept the arguments that I’ve laid out. If you don’t admit that you’re wrong, then you can’t accept the arguments, as sound as they may be, because they go counter to your beliefs. So that’s the reason why I devoted some paragraphs to those things you mentioned. The article wouldn’t have been complete if I hadn’t.

      There’s really no good way to talk about it, without sounding offensive. But believe me or not, I was actually being sincere and it wasn’t meant to be hurtful. The only part that I intended in a snide manner was “maybe because it is the only time in their lives that they think they can feel superior”. But I do understand where you’re coming from in your critique. I did try to find the most sincere way of inviting people to be okay with being wrong and that was the best I came up with. If you take those paragraphs at face value, you might see what I was trying to do. The part about not being able to learn anything new if you never admit when you’re wrong is something I felt necessary to mention, because I think the article goes beyond preconceptions people have about Jeremy Lin. Again, this article isn’t really about defending Lin, it’s more about having people question their preconceptions of Lin.

      • jenkins

        “Beliefs are very difficult to change, because once you have a certain belief, your mind goes out and seeks evidence to prove your belief and your mind is not able to see anything that goes counter to your belief.”

        You’ve basically built an argument that you are ironically trying to fight in your responses. Numerous readers have pointed out that your questioning of other people’s reasoning and thought processes is hurting you more than its helping you. Yet you continue to blindly defend it as part of sending a message; feverishly typing long responses justifying your actions against a majority that is not emotionally invested in this piece and, therefore, may be more capable of making an assessment of it.

        The message of your article as it as it stands is that you have decided that your way is right. Lin is above average. No more arguing. My words are law. Now the person at the other end of the line must bend over and kowtow. And as part of your work you must instruct them how to do so by telling them how no one is watching anyways and how its okay to be wrong.

        First off, nobody is wrong here. Stephen A. is just as correct as the next Asian that writes an account book on why Lin is above criticism. Your points are good, don’t get me wrong, but so are the points of the other writers going in the opposite direction.

        This isn’t black and white. There is no wrong or right. There is only one opinion and another. All opinions are equal, and just because one has an opinion different than yours doesn’t mean they now have to sit down and admit their wrong.

        If you want to write an article specifically targeting admitting when one is wrong in a certain debate then that’s a different story. Writing an article presenting an argument on why YOU think Lin is above average and then inviting people to admit their wrong is not the same thing.

        Saying people are just too stubborn to overlook their preconceptions to see what an amazing talent Lin is seems contradictory when you can’t accept your own deficiencies as a writer and learn from criticism.

  • standupphilosopher

    Again, I appreciate your criticisms. I was just answering your questions as honestly as I can. The reason why this article and also my responses are sometimes so long is because I think it’s easy to misinterpret what someone is saying. Without the benefit of tone of voice, etc., it’s easy to misinterpret–especially when it comes to such as sensitive subject as this. My responses to your comments weren’t as comprehensive as they needed to be, so I don’t think I was able to clearly get what I was trying to say across. It’ll probably take several back-and-fourths. But I sense your growing impatience, so I’ll just leave it. Anyway, thanks for the comments. I’ll just say that I know where you’re coming from and completely understand and agree with you when you say that there is no right or wrong. That it’s not a black or white issue. Some people who question Lin do have valid arguments.

  • JeremyLinIRL

    Its kinda cute that you took the time to think about this so hard and then bother to write this long winded rant on lin’s behalf.

    I particularly enjoyed the paragraph:
    “For those who are sincerely interested in going beyond their biases, but still somehow can’t, let me help make things easier on you. I’ll attempt to lift the blind fold by having you do a mental exercise. If Jeremy Lin hadn’t been partly discriminated against when he graduated high school. A good basketball program would have picked him up, based on his high school performance (e.g., leading his school to a State Championship). If he had gotten into a good college basketball program, like he deserved to be, he would have been drafted, maybe even in the first round. Had he been drafted in the first round, he wouldn’t have been sitting at the end of the benched or been passed from one NBA team to another. Or we can forget this entire alternative scenario and just think about how if NBA scouts had looked at Lin’s stats in college in an objective way (i.e., the way Ed Weiland did) and picked him very early in the draft based on the conclusion that he was one of the best college players in 2010, then Jeremy Lin would have immediately been validated as some sort of prodigy. I mean, only prodigies get picked that early in the draft, coming out of a no-name basketball program, right? This guy must be out of this world good! Expectations of Lin would have been pretty high from the get go.”

    Its got a very Malcolm Gladwell “Outlier’s” ish feel to it.

    But despite all your cogent points, there are way too many IF’s

    There have also been plenty of players in this league that had big success in the NBA during short stints and then they just disappear because they cant maintain that level of play. If you’re really adamant about defending lin, write an article making that comparo.
    If you’re not willing to take on that kind of task, then do what the rest of rest of the rational / logical / less emotionally vested basketball fans in NY are doing and … MOVE ON. Linsanity in NY is over. Bring on the sanity. For the love of God.

  • JeremyLinIRL

    Oh, and if you think I’m a bigot / hater, think again.

    I’m a korean american NYKnick basketball fan of over 20 years.

    I hate James Dolan, and I really enjoyed Linsanity.

    But like I said. It’s over.

  • JeremyLinIRL

    oh my bad… didnt even know when you wrote this. haha.
    just saw the link today.

    still too many IFs!

    • cary washington

      You can be a bigot/hater even if you’re korean american, bum. The fact that you would take the time to read this article and make negative comments to minimize Lin’s impact, shows just how obsessed you are with him. That’s more pathetic than anything i’ve seen on here.

  • WINN

    I just find this out today Oct-3..I love reading your post. You make all those point correct.. I just you don’t have to defend every post, those who don’t believe ,let them don’t believe. Have you watch that game when J-lin score 16 4th q point ,76er v Knicks game??

    1-3q J-lin made 1-11=2 points, then 4th q he made 16points, Knicks won the game, after that,you should hear what Woodson said to J-lin after he played his ass off and won that game for the Knicks..

    This is what Woodson said after the game to one reporter,”LOOK AT MY FACE, DO YOU SEE ME SMILING, NO!… DO YOU SEE ME CLAPPING FOR LIN? NO!..HE NEED TO LEARN HOW TO FIND HIS TEAMMATE!…he said this with anger in his face, which i KNOW he is really, really piss off..I wanted to see how J-lin would react to the next game vs raptor..J-lin dont look like himself no more and how he played vs the Raptor is very different…WOODSON IS ALL ABOUT MELO AND STAT. Dont let those nice word that Woodson said about Lin fool you..

    • standupphilosopher

      Yeah, I saw that Sixers game. I haven’t seen this reaction from Woodson, though. Do you happen to have a link to it? I’m just glad that Jeremy is away from all that craziness with the Knicks. I think both the Knicks and Jeremy are better off.

      • ZakAttack You should try not to post false stats. Just sayin.

        • standupphilosopher

          Hm…not sure exactly what you’re referring to. I think you might need to read my post a little more carefully, instead of just skimming through it. You’ll have a better understanding of those stats that you think are in error.

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